The Universe wants you to read these poems. That's the message I was given one afternoon recently, when I came across this essay by the poet Tony Hoagland, who thinks that English teachers are generally unsuccessful at teaching poetry in schools. Hoagland thinks that we're going at poetry the wrong way 'round. He feels that contemporary poetry is much more vital and accessible, and that if we teachers got students turned on to contemporary poetry, you would then be more open to the "old masters". Hoagland suggested twenty poems that we could be teaching to achieve that end.
Now while I feel there's something to be said for his way of thinking, I didn't agree with his choice of poems. And, as I happen to be familiar with a lot of contemporary poets, I came up with a list of twenty of my own selections. There are twenty different poets with all sorts of different backgrounds.
As you read these poems, I don't want you to analyze. Just react. Respond. If you find a line that you like, blog about that. If you have a question, blog it. If you have something to say pertinent to the theme of the poem, blog it. (Read the introductory poem "Introduction to Poetry" for more advice.)
By the way, I encourage all of you to drop by the Sunken Garden Poetry Festival this summer. Pictured above is the former Poet Laureate of the United States, Robert Pinsky, reading there in 2008. Other Poet Laureates who have read there include Billy Collins, Philip Levine, and Natasha Trethewey. Many of the poets in your packet are Sunken Garden alumni. There's food and drink. live music, then a poetry reading -- all in a beautiful setting on a lovely summer evening. One can hardly get more civilized that that.
Hi everyone! I started reading the poems, and immediately enjoyed the first one. I find that people often try to pull apart poems until they have extracted everything from it. While, in some respects, this is a good thing, it takes away the personal connection to the poem. Poetry is about personal connections, not "the right interpretation". Why is it so important to find the "right" meaning of a poem?
ReplyDeleteNicole Green
I totally agree with you, Nicole. I was honestly, kind-of nervous about posting about the poems because I was worried I wouldn't get the same message out of them that others would. Everyone should understand that your interpretation of a poem may not match anyone else's. I remember, in sixth grade, being told that one of my "personal interpretations" of a poem was wrong and being very upset and confused about it. The statement "the right interpretation" actually conflicts itself, since poetry is meant to have a personal meaning to each reader and each reader may have a different impression. Basically, I don't think a "right interpretation" for any poem exists, only a "personal interpretation". It's nice to finally hear someone else agree with these thoughts. :)
ReplyDeleteMegan -I completely agree with both you and Nicole. As i was reading the very first poem this line stuck out to me saying "Because each of us tells the story but tells it differently." Thats what I personally have to remember when reading poems like you said everyone has a different interpretation you just cant be afraid yours is wrong.
DeleteHi guys! I've just started reading the poems and I agree with Megan with the idea where there is no such thing as a 'right interpretation' to a poem. Poetry is a way for a writer to express their feelings and inflict them onto their readers. Whether or not the reader feels the same that they did when they read it depends upon the reader themselves. It's like looking at a piece of modern art: to some people, they could look at a work of art and see man's struggle to find himself in a turbulent, malicious world. Others could see something painted by an agitated cat. It just depends on the viewer or, in the case of poetry, the reader.
ReplyDeleteMeg, don't get upset if anyone tells you that your interpretation is wrong ever again. Nobody can tell you that your personal view is wrong.
Veronica Spadaro (who didn't mean for this to be so long-winded)
V,
DeleteI agree with both you and Megan completely. And that is one of the great things about poetry and literature in general, you can apply it to your own life and take from it what you want to, it is anything but black and white. Everyone's different, so everyone's gonna see each thing in a different light and from a different perspective. For example, when I read the poem Why We Tell Our Stories, I interpreted it as how we tell our life stories, how we live our lives and how much we are like stories and characters from a book. And Megan, Nicole, and Gen saw it as stories in the literal sense. Neither of us are wrong, for either way we learned something from the poem and were able to relate to it and adapt it to our daily lives, and that's what I believe is the right answer: learning a lesson, for that is what the poet would want.
Sierra Jesanis
My all time favorite poem from this packet is Suzanne Cleary's poem titled, "Anyways (For David)". I find it so clever how the author used her connection to her home town's way of speaking to bring forth an interesting piece of insight.
ReplyDelete"It is anyways, plural,
because the word must be large enough
to hold all of our reasons. Anyways is our way
of saying there is more than one reason
and there is that which is beyond reason,
that which cannot be said."
I believe that these lines really capture the essence of the poem that I love. I think that Cleary is trying to say that we can't be stopped from doing what is right, wrong, acceptable, or unacceptable if it is what happens. We must go on because a mistake is not the end, but a new beginning.
I really admire this poem and would love to hear some feedback on what everyone else thinks about it!
Katie Gorsky
Hey Katie I just wanted to respond to your post about "Anyways",
DeleteSuzanne Cleary's poem titled, "Anyways (For David)" was also my favorite poem from the packet. I found it just as insightful as you seemed to but definitely interpreted it differently. Reading your analysis made me further appreciate the poem. You sited lines that you felt really capture the essence of the poem that you love. I read these same lines and form a unique love of perhaps another version of the essence of this poem. Our ability to read the same words and find such diverse meanings behind them to me makes this poem truly a great work of literature. What I appreciate even more is that no one but maybe Suzanne Cleary herself can tell us that our translations are wrong. When I read the lines that you mentioned which are followed shortly by “We are shy, my people, not given to stroytelling.
We end our stories too soon, trailing off “Anways....” I felt like this was a suggestion that society has learned to accept “anyways” as an excuse. We choose to accept things in life, especially those unpleasant, because its easier than challenging or questioning the reasons behind them. I think the poem also describes “anyways” as society’s acceptance of our lack of control over certain aspects of life like the weather and love. I found the poem to be about the thin line between accepting things because its less complicated than exposing the purposes behind them and accepting things because they lack in reason all together. I really liked reading your thoughts hope you get the chance to read mine!
-Elise Phelan
I agree with all the comments written here, especially Megan, V, and Nicole. Also, Katie I really enjoyed that poem too, it was definitely one of my favorites. I thought the structure of the poem was unique although, i don't know if originally it was supposed to be written in that "stair" type form, but I thought it added to the entire essence of the poem.
ReplyDeleteAnother poem that I really enjoyed was "Famous" by Naomi Shihab Nye. I felt myself really being able to relate to it. Especially when the author writes:
"I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous,
or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular,
but because it never forgot what it could do."
I think Nye is trying to say that not everyone has to save the world or discover the cure for cancer to be famous. When you do something that is totally selfless or helping those who need it, that is what makes you famous. Not the recognition that you did it, but the feeling you get inside after you do it. Also, I thought the author clearly got a message across, but also offered really unique comparisons such as; "The tear is famous to the cheek"." I found all of these lines to just be really thought out and clever in the organization of the ideas.
Nicole Howard
I really enjoyed this poem too, definitely one of my favorites. Those lines you quoted definitely sum up the main idea. What I interpreted from it was that all you need is to do a task to the best of your abilities, and in that you should feel fulfilled in yourself. Fame does not mean being a celebrity in this poem, it means being yourself, doing exactly what you feel you were meant to do.
DeleteThe first of these poems really seemed to lighten the mood as I opened the poetry packet. I was happy to see a well known poet write what I have been thinking. It always seems that there is some hidden meaning to find in a poem, so if I find a meaning or message immediately, I usually think I did it wrong. This poem encouraged me to continue reading the poems and enjoy what I took from them instead of over analyzing every line. After reading the previous comments, it is nice to know that my interpretation isn't wrong if others do not agree with me.
ReplyDeleteDallon Asnes
After reading the first poem, and none of the others, I will take what it says to heart! I believe too often we are restricted to finding one sole meaning of a poem, as if the poet wrote the entire work solely for illustrating one thing. I don't think this is often the case. I believe poems reflect the beauty and lessons of life, and how often is there just one purpose, one beautiful thing, in life!?
ReplyDeleteBy the way Dallon I love you.
Mike I have to agree with you, I read the first poem first while we were still in school. It helped me going into the rest of the packet not to over analyze every line or word that I was reading! Great Choice to put that one at the beginning and really open your eyes before you plunged into the rest!!!!
DeleteMy favorite poems in no order- the ones that stood out the most- are 1964, The Mercy, Famous, and Anyways.
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First off, I love the description of the border crossing- " our bronze people lift their dreams up to keep the river from drowning them". That was a really clever way to describe the situation. However I believe the topic of the poem is ( and there is likely more than one) we are so shaped by school and our schooling determines how we view the world, however to truly understand some of the beauty of the earth and how the world interacts, we must learn by ourselves, outside of the classroom.
Another poem I liked was "The Mercy". I enjoyed reading about the little girls story of immigration, but I also like the ending. I believe the ending can be interpreted as life is very hard, and the little things in life make it bearable (like a juicy orange). Does anyone else believe this poem is kind of pessimistic though?
Next: Famous. I really enjoyed this poem because I believe it highlights such a key aspect of life. Even the little things, like a tear on a cheek, the bent photograph, can be the most famous. It goes back to that saying beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I love the authors final statement, "I want to be famous... not because it did anything spectacular, but because it never forgot what it could do."
Finally- Anyways- Anyways was my favorite poem. I loved anyways because it alludes to the fact that anyways is such a powerful word and can apply to so many beautiful situations, it must be plural, however it means more than that! The example of the widow hanging onto her husbands shirts and wearing them despite the fact she looks terrible, is absolutely beautiful and is a phenomenal examples of love. The next example of the shoemaker who lost his life savings but continues to keep on keeping on, is another beautiful example in "Anyways".
These are just my thoughts, and remember class mates I'm always right, so don't critique me.
Just kidding, feel free to post any additional comments if you want to share any other ideas about these poems!
I fully agree with everyone's thoughts so far. The "Introduction to Poetry" really expressed to me how people view poetry today. The only time we are exposed to it is when we are forced to find its "true" meaning and endlessly overanalyze its symbols. I feel that this is part of the reason why very few people our age today are interested in poetry. I think it should be viewed to make connections in life, and entertain the readers.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, one of my favorite poems from the packet was "Hymn to a Broken Marriage." I liked that it had an aspect of intamacy and direct connection to the author's personal life. It made me feel like I was stepping into a part of his life that he normally would never share.
Another poem I especially liked was "Famous." I agree with Nicole and Mike on their thoughts about the last stanza. Even the smallest things are "famous", not for their image, but for their purpose. I thought Nye was clever with the way he used examples of the most ordinary things to express his views.
Lastly, I enjoyed reading "Atlantis", though I didn't really understand the title. It expressed to me how close your dreams can become to reality. I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts on this one!
Kelsey Riesbeck
I agree with your thoughts on "Hymn to a Broken Marriage." It was like we were stepping into his own personal life. It seemed like this would be some type of letter that he would be writing to his ex-wife either during a divorce or after, something like that. I also found it to be sad. It seems as though this man loved his wife so dearly, but she did not love him back or was incapable of loving him.
DeleteI also re-read "Atlantis" and I can not for the life of me figure that one out. To me, it seemed like a bunch of random thoughts jumbled together that sort of had the same meaning, but I was just confused by that one. Sorry I couldn't help with the title!
Nicole Howard
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ReplyDeleteHey guys! I just finished reading "Thanksgiving". This poem really made me wonder: What is a poem? When I think of poetry, the definition that comes to mind is "a means of expressing oneself" When a teacher tells me to write a poem, quite honestly, I tend to take that as instructions to write something that includes stanzas, figurative language, and a "deeper meaning". In hopes of answering my own question, I looked up the definition of a poem and the best ones I could find were the following:
ReplyDeleteA piece of writing that partakes of the nature of both speech and song, and that is usually rhythmical and metaphorical. -Oxford Dictionary
A composition in verse, especially one that is characterized by a highly developed artistic form and by the use of heightened language and rhythm to express an intensely imaginative interpretation of the subject. -Dictionary.reference.com
All of this knowledge does give me an idea of what a poem is, but now I don't quite understand why " Thanksgiving" is considered a poem. At first glance, this work appears to only be an anecdote. After reading it a few times, I do see use of figurative language, but I didn't recognize any use of rhythm and I had difficulty trying to interpret a message. Really the only meaning I could get out of the poem was what was already stated in it: Everyone has their own ways of doing things (The line I'm referring to is "For years I thought everyone ate rice and beans with turkey at Thanksgiving.".). Do you guys have any interpretations of this poem?
The main thing that I'm still confused about is why "Thanksgiving" is considered a poem because, to me, it just seems like an anecdote of a guy sharing a few childhood memories and his experience of dinner, where he felt like an outsider, for the first time with his wife's family (As you can probably tell, the other part of the problem is that I don't understand what message Martin Espada was trying to get across by writing this poem.).
Is this just an "out of the box" kind of poem?
I feel like I read this kind of close minded, and missed some things so any insight would be appreciated. (: Thanks!
-Aiyla Zahid
Aiyla- So I was thinking about "Thanksgiving" as I was reading everyone's comments and some of them made me want to go back and read the Introduction to Poetry. I think that "Thanksgiving" may seem like an anecdote because it does just recount what happened. But looking at it after rereading the Introduction to Poetry I start to think that maybe we should be considering it more as a way to "press an ear against [a] hive." I think its just a poem so that others can see the authors story rather than get some message or meaning out of it.
DeleteHope my opinion helps!
Madison Florence
Aiyla- I had a lot of trouble trying to interpret this poem as well. There are so many possibilities that it's difficult to determine what exactly the intended message is. After reading it over a few times, I think that this poem is all about perception and how people see things in different lights. For example, it says that Daddy "saw a white battleship floating in the gravy", and later points out that the narrator thought that "The creamed onions look like eyeballs." Daddy saw the battleship because of his history as a veteran, while the narrator didn't think the onions looked appetizing because he was used to eating Spanish influenced cuisine. Their past creates the present, which therefore molds their perception. I think that this poem really is just trying to say that even though we all have different perceptions and histories, we can still come together as one, despite our differences.
ReplyDeleteI hope this helped a bit!
Katie Gorsky
One poem that stood out to me was "Wishes for Sons." It took me three times to read the poem and finally understand what it was saying. It seems like the author wants men to understand the topic of her poem, but I think that it is cruel of her to wish it upon all men. Being involved with Langston Hughes, maybe Clifton felt that this topic involving women related to how African Americans were mistreated.
ReplyDeleteThis comment is dedicated to Michael Johnson.
Dallon Asnes
Hi everyone! A few of my favorite poems were “Famous”, “Thanksgiving”, and “Testament”. I also had a question about “Anyways”.
ReplyDelete“Famous”: I noticed the author uses the word “famous” almost interchangeably with the phrase “familiar with”. She also mentions all these ordinary things being “famous” to other ordinary things (e.g. river to fish, cat to birds, tear to cheek, boot to earth, etc.). I think just these two factors summarize a meaning or lesson Naomi wanted her readers to absorb; she says one does not have to be a celebrity to be famous or successful in life; one just has to do what he/she does, and do it well!
“Thanksgiving”: After I read this poem, I was thinking that the wife’s family could represent the Pilgrims and perhaps the narrator represents an Indian. The author writes, “When the first Pilgrim dragged out the cannon at the first Thanksgiving…” I think the dad with the cannon represents “the first Pilgrim” and since this is the narrator’s first Thanksgiving with the wife’s family, this represents the Indians’ first Thanksgiving with the Pilgrims. The narrator is also from the Bronx, which is a poor city. This relates to the Indians, who were also poor in comparison to the Pilgrims.
In regards to the poem “Anyways”, why does she use the word “regardless” at the end instead of anyways?
“Testament”: I think that this poem shows how most important things in life are not tangible; they are the experiences and relationships. They can only be kept in the heart, not in a wallet.
-Genna
DeleteI think "famous" is more than just "familiar with". Even though the things the author is declaring famous are ordinary to US, when you look at it in relation to who its famous to, there's more of a connection than simply "familiarity". For example, "the cat sleeping on the fence is famous to the birds watching him from the birdhouse". There's a direct, predator/prey relation there, not just familiarity. I might have just misinterpreted what you said, but that's just my take on it. The relationship between the what's famous and what it's famous to is a big part of the equation and the meaning of "famous" in each situation.
I found the poem "What the Living Do" to be very intriguing. My initial reaction was that someone in this woman's (I guess it could be a man) life has died and she is in mourning. Marie Howe goes on the explain how she goes through everyday life, almost trying to forget something tragic that has happened. Then, she notices herself living, without this significant figure that has gone away from her life almost like she is trying so hard to forget, then she sees herself living, walking, breathing alone without this "Johnny" and remembers him.
ReplyDeleteThen, I read it a few more times and I began to think of another meaning for this poem. I was thinking maybe she was just going through her everyday life: forgetting to call the plumber, grocery bags breaking and almost tired of the normal routine. Then, she stops and notices that she is living. She is alive and well and she stops and begins to appreciate her life and her well being. But then, the last sentence "I remember you" really doesn't make sense with this interpretation. So I'm really not sure what to think of this. Any other opinions?
Nicole Howard
Nicole- That's actually a very interesting way of looking at it, I hadn't considered a recent death in the narrator's life (it would certainly explain who the "you" is). My gut reaction to "What the Living Do" was quite a bit more mundane. I saw it starting off as an intentionally dull description of an average, wholly unspectacular day in the narrator's life, only to move in to describing the phenomenon where a person is suddenly struck with awe about their own existence and the existence of everything around them, and how the most normal things seem extraordinary when you're in the contemplative state of mind. I saw the ending where he/she notices his/her reflection in the mirror as reaching that sublime moment of, "I'm here, I exist, and that's amazing".
DeleteTo all my dancer friends (Maddie, Katie, Elise, sorry if I forgot anyone else) "What the Living Do" very much reminds me of "The Seconds in Between." This was a modern dance one of the modern teams at Dance Express performed this year. Much like the poem, the dancers go about their normal day on a subway, rushing to get things done. Suddenly, the music starts, and a beautiful dance takes place. I could watch that dance at every competition (and I certainly did) and never get tired of it. The absolute best part of the dance is when all the dancers turn towards the front and let out a big exhale, all together, creating such an amazing moment of simplicity. That is what this poem makes me think of; losing all of the stress and other things or tasks that dwell on you mind and just dancing, or living
DeleteNicole, I was also interested in the reason Marie Howe wrote "What the Living Do." I did some research online and found that she wrote the poem in the form of a letter to her brother John, who had passed away a few years earlier from complications with AIDS. So you were correct with both aspects you wrote about. She is still mourning this terrible loss, but she realizes that she must go on living her life. She will always remember him, but eventually must accept that he isn't coming back. Hope that helps a little!
ReplyDeleteKelsey Riesbeck
Kelsey and Nicole, When reading "What the Living Do." I personally had the same reaction, it was a woman who was morning over someone she lost. I love that you did research Kelsey because it answered all my questions I had referring to this poem; whose john and how did he die?
ReplyDeleteA poem that I really enjoyed was Mrs. Krikorian. This poem really touched a soft spot for me because I've personally had teachers guide me down the correct paths and motivate me to make the right choices. I saw Mrs. Krikorian as a symbol for all the people who help steer others and positively impact their lives.
Allison Nadeau
Famous really opened my eyes, and truly explains the meaning of the word. As a young person, most of us strive to make our names known, whether it be locally or internationally, because it makes you as a person feel accomplished. However, I love the way this poem expresses the real nature of being famous. In the lines,"I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous, or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular, but because it never forgot what it could do", I honestly felt humbled and came to the conclusion that being famous is similar to being a hero; it's about being there when you need them not to soak up the glory and recognition.
ReplyDeleteAndy Lenoce
Another poem that I really like is "Undertaker" by Patricia Smith. This poem has a very haunting and eery feel to it, starting with the very first line.
ReplyDelete"When a bullet enters the brain, the head explodes."
This is just the first taste of the narrator's very realistic and morbid tone that continues through the entire poem. Smith effectively creates a contrast between the narrator's dark realities and the poor mother's thoughts of their beautiful, kind child. By doing so, you can tell that the narrator wants the mothers to understand that they can't have their children back. Making their boy pretty will only make it that much more difficult to let go, and will make it harder to reach acceptance on the topic. Though the narrator seems to want to hurt the mother, in the end what she truly wants is to help the living and let the dead rest.
Katie Gorsky
So I've been reading the poems over the last week or so and one of my favorite was Why We Tell Stories. I enjoyed the riddled imagery in the first part. How phrases like "because we used to have leaves and on damp days our muscles feel a tug, painful now, from when roots pulled us into the ground," make you go back and read them again. They provoke your mind. The second part is what I really liked though. The second phrase of part two seemed almost childish in how it said that we create these "impossible riddles only we could solve, monsters only we could kill. "I'm glad the author didn't just say "We tell stories because they're interesting and we enjoy them."
ReplyDeleteIn addition , I realize now that my interpretation of Introduction to Poetry was different than many of yours. When I first read it, I was thinking of how people find it difficult to write poetry. After trying to write poetry for years, the frustration that I sometimes meet seemed to ring true in some of the phrases that Collins stated. For example, "Or walk inside the poem's room and feel the walls for a light switch." I can connect to this phrase in regard to writing a poem. It isn't always clear when you're trying to write something powerful or just simply worth reading. It can be blind and come as easily as flipping on a switch. I don't know if anyone else saw the poem this way, but I guess we all interpret things differently.
So I read these poems back in the beginning of the summer thinking that I would reread them later to see if my thoughts changed or I would have better insight into some of the poems. From the first time I read them "Famous" was my favorite. Every line of it seems to speak the truth. I particularly like the lines:
ReplyDelete"The tear is famous, briefly, to the cheek"
"The boot is more famous to the earth,
more famous than the dress shoe,
which is famous only to floors."
"I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous,
or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular,
but because it never forgot what it could do."
The line about the tear being briefly famous to the cheek really makes me look at tears differently. If you have ever seen yourself cry or seen someone else cry the tears never stay on the person's cheek for long, either because it runs down and off it or they wipe it off. I think the way Naomi Shihab Nye described that situation or sensation depending on how you look at it in a unique way.
The boot and the dress shoe stanza attracted my attention just because it was a different way of looking at shoes. The stanza is true I just, personally, have never classified a shoe based on what it walks on.
The final stanza is something that I would want to read and see everyday. People often want to be someone or something but they rarely remember who they are. It seems to me that people forget that they are a piece of a world full of other people. Everyone is so involved in what they are doing and trying to be that they forget that they are supposed to be a person. People can do so much. We could be famous for smiling at each other, as Nye said in the second to last stanza, or just for caring. It is not hard or spectacular but it is important and a way to be "famous".
I really like this poem, too. To me, fame seems to belong to people who do something spectacular, like changing the world or being a spectacular athlete. In the last stanza of this poem, I think Nye intends "famous" to mean something different. Nye says to be yourself rather than stand out.
DeleteDallon Asnes
That's what I saw too! It's almost like you don't have to be what someone else is, like the world's next best pitcher, if that's not who you are. It's almost as if being you no matter how small is the most important way to be "famous"
DeleteMadison Florence
I hadn't read Famous until I saw that many of you were raving about it, and I agree with many of you that it was very nicely written and speaks a good message. I agree with Maddie in that the last stanza seems to be the most significant. Whenever I heard the word famous, I always thought of becoming some wildly popular singer or a recognizable actor or maybe even a best selling author. I never thought of the word in the terms that Nye states in her poem. I never thought that fame could regard to someone character or how they never lose who they are.
ReplyDeleteOne poem that has stuck with me so far was "Undertaker" by Patricia Smith. This poem spoke to me in so many ways. The first line was so sudden and point blank, that it sat with you throughout the whole entire poem.
ReplyDeleteAs the poem went on you couldn't help but feel sorrow for not only the grieving mother who believed that her boy was still the same little boy he was 10 years before, but also the man who must listen to the grieving mothers day in and day out. He must deal with the realities while listening to the memories as well as the denial of grieving parents. This poem gave me not only chills but a new understanding of just how much it takes to be an undertaker. (Before I just thought they were plain creepy!)
Emily Herzog
I agree with you about the first line "when a bullet enters the brain, the head explodes" It's just so blunt and straight forward that it kind of stuns you even as you move on to the other lines. This poem to me was so disturbing and haunting...it kind of just gave me that hollow feeling as the undertaker described the harsh reality versus the illusion of the boy portrayed in the photograph. The whole poem was so harsh, just like the first line. it was so well-written and portrayed the whole situation so completely and fully through the description and tone, more so than all of the other poems in my opinion. But its so creepy...
DeleteAfter finishing all of the poems I really think that the most powerful one is "Photograph From September 11". This poem was the most difficult to read as I am sure it was for most of you as well, but at the same time it served a purpose. I believe that the Author of this poem, did something many of us couldn't. She took something horrible she saw and turned it into a work that can also be called a memorial. This poem really sat with me and I cannot think of anything I would change or do to make it more touching or any better.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on that "Photograph from September 11" was one of the most significant poems. After I read it I wanted to comment on it but I couldn't figure out what to say. When you called it a memorial, I couldn't help but agree. The poem described the frozen picture of something so fast and terrifying. "Each is still complete, with a particular face and blood well hidden" It was powerful in a way that it made you think more about who those people were and how that photo is sadly what they would be remember by.
DeleteI liked how it ended. It almost didn't have an ending which made it feel more like a lasting memorial, as you called it. It gives those people in the photograph an eternal life. The poem never says they died so this poem, like the photo, permanently maintains their life and legacy. This poem keeps them protected, like it's saying, "As long as I don't say you hit the ground you didn't. You can keep going on in life because I didn't let you hit the ground."
DeleteMaddie, I see what you mean 100%, I may have misused memorial. I honestly just felt while reading it that it could give people some sort of, acceptance and peace, even though its a haunting poem.
DeleteKatie- in response to your comment to "Undertaker," I would like to just add on to what you said. When I was reading this poem, I couldn't help but think of the book "The Book Thief." In that book, the narrator is death, and explains how it is a horrifying job but it has to be done. In this poem, it seems like that narrator in no way enjoys his job, but he feels it has to get done and he is the one to do it, just as the narrator in the book does.
ReplyDeleteI also found the line "his halo sat at a cocky angle." to really stick out to me in this particular poem. When the narrator says this, it sounds as if he thinks the mother thinks this child is perfect, but somehow the narrator knows he is not. This brings me back to the relation to "The Book Thief's" narrator, death. That narrator explained why a person had to die and seemed as if he knew more about each person than anybody else would know. This seems to be the case in "Undertaker" where the narrator knows this boy wasn't the angel his mother makes him out to be, and his halo tends to be crooked.
Overall I found this poem to be very morbid and eerie, but at the same time intriguing. It most definitely not the cookie cutter poem, especially when it starts with a line "when a bullet enters the brain, the head explodes."
Nicole Howard
I totally see what you mean with the comparison to The Book Thief. That work is definitely one of my favorite novels, and I think the eerie role of death in the narration is what attracts me to "Undertaker" as well. However, I disagree slightly on how the funeral home worker's interpretation of the boy made me feel about his character. The same line actually stuck out to me, about his halo at a cocky angle. A later section, mentioning "he believed himself invincible", went along with the halo image to really make me connect to the character more. Clearly any death is tragic in itself, but the one depicted seems particularly harsh to me with these details, emphasizing that the victim was really just a kid. His cocky nature, clearly believing he would walk away unscathed, made me consider my own tendency to believe everything will turn out fine. In this respect, the details didn't seem like imperfections at all, but real character development that made me more sympathetic and interested.
DeleteTo me, I feel that the first poem (Introduction to Poetry)applies to more than just poetry. In school, we are asked to interpret everything! And expected to interpret everything right...literary works, art works, cartoons. Sometimes I wonder if we over interpret things. I think there are a lot of works out there that people think are way more deep and "insightful" than even the author intended it to be. Again, you can take anything and apply a deeper meaning to it. In the end, the importance of a work lies in its meaning to YOU, your interpretation(like the whole beauty is in the eyes of the beholder thing) and that's the whole point. Poems are whatever you make them out to be, and whatever connection and interpretations you make. No right answer.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree! I have looked at things so many times and just thought, "What if the author made the dove land next to the guy in the park just because one day that happened to the author? It could mean hope and faith and connect to some religious reference or it could just be a dove." I heard an artist speak about his work and how someone asked him if his work was an abstract flower bouquet. His response was "It's paint on paper." That was it. No meaning, no subject. Just paint on paper. I think that if you think it's a bunch of flowers then it's a bunch of flowers. It's your thoughts. You can't think wrong. I like that this poem tells you that it is ok to interpret.
DeleteMadison Florence
I agree, the poem seemed to have a pessimistic perspective. It seemed to foreshadow a rough, harsh life to come, which is probably a reflection of the authors life experiences. Like you, I started off feeling comforted with old memories, but by the end not so much, especially where the poem says "we saw the lighting lace the school's façade with instantaneous traceries and hairline fires, like a road map glimpsed by flashlight in a car". By this point the poem was starting to sound like a horror movie to me.
ReplyDeleteHi everyone! The poem that I really enjoyed was “Rain in Childhood” by Eric Ormsby. I honestly have a hard time trying to connect to poems, but I could personally relate to Ormsby’s element of nostalgia throughout the poem. One part in Ormsby’s poem that I liked was when he said, “Our past already had such distances! Already in that fragrance we could sense the end of childhood, where remembrance stands”. As I approach senior year I understand like Ormsby does of how fast life passes by. It seems as if only yesterday all we had to worry about the dreaded day of the week we had to do swish (If anyone else remembers that), but now we have even bigger worries to try and tackle. Between studying for SAT’s, getting ready to apply to college, preparing ourselves to enter into the adult world, and trying to figure out what we want to do with the rest of our lives, our lives have gotten a little bit more complicated. Like Ormsby, I now realize that the simple days of childhood are over. Although this is a sad fact of life, we cannot prevent the inevitable fact of growing up and becoming older from happening. Luckily Ormsby shows us some of the smallest things help keep the fond memories of the past alive. For Ormsby it’s rain, but for anyone else it could be anything. Even though Ormsby uses a somber tone through the duration of his poem it’s comforting to know that there are ways to remember the past. Hopefully some of you can agree with me.
ReplyDelete-Kristina Fusco
I won't get into detail about loving that someone refuted the much beloved idea that everything has a "right" interpretation and that everyone else needs to just shut up. Other people on the blog have already articulated it with much less middle school inspired raging than I could.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's only because I like to write, but I really enjoyed "Why We Tell Stories". Lisel Mueller really nailed describing the longing for escapism that drives us to create and absorb stories. The end perplexed me at first (it ends mid-sentence without warning) but I've decided that it's an indication of how humanity's story is not yet complete, that we're still waiting for the rest to be written. Think I interpreted that correctly?
Sarah- "Why We Tell Stories" was one of my favorite poems as well. I believe that the ending line stopped mid sentence so you could finish it yourself, take it where you wanted. As if you were telling your own story. In the first section I interpreted it as evolution with stories, in the second section I got human Adaptation, and in the last it was about our perspectives on stories. I could of looked at it all wrong though. Let me know what you think.
DeleteI absolutely loved the first poem by Billy Collins. It definitely impacted the way I read all of the other poems throughout the packet. Without it, I would have gone through all of the poems by reading them for meaning, and not for content. I find the poems much more pleasurable to read than the books, simply because I loved seeing all of the authors different techniques side by side. I read through the Table of Contents before reading any of the poems, and at first I was a little dubious that I would enjoy this part of the summer reading simply because I didn't recognize many of the poems and wasn't sure what to expect from them. But it all worked out because I found myself saying, "That was my favorite!" after almost every poem. I found them very easy to read compared to other poetry we have read in past English classes, which to someone who had difficulty with poetry previously was a big relief. This selection of poems changed my outlook on poetry in general. I find myself much more open to it now and look forward to more of it this upcoming school year. After finishing all of the poems, I have to say that a few lines in Lisel Mueller's poem Why We Tell Stories stood out to me more so than any lines from the other poems.
ReplyDelete"Because the story of our life
becomes our life
Because each of us tells
the same story
but tells it differently
and none of us tells it
the same way twice"
I just found these lines so prolific and universal, I thought I'd point them out to the rest of you to enjoy again!
I absolutely love the lines you pulled out of that poem. I also agree that the first poem changed my perspective. As I was reading I would catch myself trying to analyze the poems to find connections and meanings but then I took a step back and made myself enjoy them rather than look at them the way I was trained to. I think I actually took more out of the poems when I was not analyzing them. They seemed to speak to me more and have more meaning it also is quite possible this happened partially because of the modern style language used. These poems proved to be a refreshing break that connected to parts of my life and my experiences.
DeleteMadison Florence
Maddie, I always love hearing your opinions and I'm glad you liked the lines I chose! It definitely makes me feel like my choices have been validated. This selection of poems made poetry more enjoyable, and I found myself appreciating each poem individually for its own separate reason. Whether it was the format, the voice or the style, they were all fascinating to read. I didn't feel like I wanted to fast forward through or skip any of them, which pleasantly surprised me. Thanks for your input!
DeleteEmily Kopsick
I have to say, the first poem by Billy Collins was my favorite, but I definitely enjoyed the others as well.
ReplyDeleteIn "Those Winter Sundays", I thought the author Robert Hayden did well by insinuating the purpose of the poem rather than have it be more blatant. The child just ignored the father's hard work, and didn't realize how the father cared for him.
Greg Wooding
I also like "Thanksgiving" because it really shows a different cultural aspect to a very American holiday. Most people would assume Thanksgiving is the same for everyone, myself included, but this shows another side of this famous holiday. This also has a darker side, at the end. It took me a few re-reads to start to understand what really happened and I'm still not entirely sure what exactly happened. Anyone care to explain? I think the child was shot with the cannon but I could be missing something. I did find the use of the word "left" was very innocent but meant killed.
One that I was quite surprised by was "Undertaker" by Patricia Smith. This one was so morbid and it caught me off guard. When it describes the bodies and such I thought it was a little much, but I understood the psychological aspect of it. I would say this is my least favorite of this collection, simply because of how pretty it made the destruction sound, how gently yet blunt the wound was described.
Greg- In response to "Thanksgiving," it says he removed the cannonballs first before he shot it over the graveyard. "He tilted the cannon downward, and cannonballs dropped from the barrel, thudding on the floor and rolling across the brown braided rug." I'm still not positive if it was his ancestors that killed the Indians on their property, but I also think that "left" is a euphemism for killed.
DeleteKelsey Riesbeck
Greg- “Undertaker” was definitely a morbid poem, but I got the feeling that the undertaker was tired of his job, tired of hiding the truth. He was fed up with mothers wanting their boy to look just how he looked before was killed. It seems that he has had this job for a long time, and he may even be going a little insane because of it (this is especially evident in the sixth stanza). This man has been seeing and touching gruesome bodies for many years of his life; I think this would mess anyone up psychologically. When I read the poem for a second time with that perspective, it was a little easier for me to understand why the man would describe in such extreme detail these wrecked bodies and why he would seem annoyed with these distressed mothers.
DeleteI have to admit, I saved the poems for last and I was a little nervous to start reading them. I always feel like my interpretation of poems is different from what I'm supposed to get out of them, like I'm not seeing the bigger picture. I really liked how the introduction addressed that right off the bat, saying that sometimes what you're supposed to see may actually be staring you in the face; there's no need to dissect every line.
ReplyDeleteI think the poem that affected me the most was "Photograph From September 11". Although short, Szymborska was able to recreate exactly what he was seeing in just a few brief lines. He describes how the photograph froze them in the air when they were still complete, recognizable people. By saying "blood well hidden" he is suggesting their fate without being too graphic. I think he included the final stanza to remind everyone that these victims should not be forgotten.
I found "Photograph From September 11" to have a strong effect on me as well. Without even seeing the photograph, the poem illustrates and conveys the feeling of it perfectly.
DeleteKatie- I definitely agree with you. I feel like I can imagine exactly how the picture looks without even seeing it.
DeleteI was also thinking that the author may not want to write a last line because this last line may symbolize when they hit the ground… If she does not add a final line, they will forever remain “above the earth and toward the earth”, but never on the earth. The author may not want to accept the fact that all these lives were lost.
I also think that's the reason a last line was not added. Likewise, I feel he added the line "describe this flight" so that it seems like it was not a fall, but a flight to heaven. He could've wanted to raise awareness in people but avoid being blunt by talking about their horrible ending.
DeleteI totally agree with what everyone has said about this poem, especially being able to picture this very day in my head without having the picture present due to the way the author describes this event perfectly. This poem also effected me deeply-I think Szymborska didn't want to recognize not only what happened to these people, but to all of the lives lost and their families and the entire country mourning from this horrific event. Additionally, this poem seems to be very simplistic becasue Szymborska clearly gets her point across and leaving a big effect on the reader and their thoughts. Furthermore, by writing "and not add a last line," adds depth to this poem and makes the reader wish that this horrid event did not happen at all.
DeleteKirsten Shea
Last year in English we read many poems some that poet Tony Hoagland referred to as “old chestnuts” (“The Road Not Taken,” “I heard a fly buzz when I died”). I very much agreed with the statements Tony Hoagland made prior to reading the poems but after completing the packet I realized just how insightful his theories are. I was intrigued by his concept that the “refreshing of canonical content and tone will vitalize teachers and students everywhere, and just may revive our sense of currency and relevance of poetry.” I think our posts on this blog prove Tony Hoagland’s belief that this refreshing of poetry curriculum does indeed “renew the conversation, the teaching, the everything…” If we we were required to blog about last year’s poetry unit I don’t think the entries would not match in the comprehension displayed here at least not without the help of sparknotes.
ReplyDeleteWhen studying poetry in last year’s english class I had difficulty differentiating between poems and recognizing all the symbolism used. Usually the only purpose behind the poems I grasped was translated by Mrs. Morrison. Many of the poems did not spark thought I found myself often just memorizing the facts necessary to pass the test. I read this selection of poems in one sitting, initially I thought I would have to read a few at a time to keep a sense of what each is about and its significance. But as I continued to read poem after poem I formed a thorough understanding of them as well a memorization of compelling details included. These poems granted me creative rights to develop my own perception of them because of my ability to understand them. I was able to make connections on a personal level and gather insight that seemed impossible to acquire from the “old chestnuts” of last year’s curriculum.
-Elise Phelan
Elise-
DeleteI could not agree with you more! Over the course of our years in school, we have been trained to do what's best for your grade, what's going to get you into college. So many teachers have given us such dull poems that lack the creativity that a lot of modern works provide, which makes it a lot more difficult for us to appreciate the art of writing. This is definitely the reason why so many kids don't like to read; because they are reading for the grade and not for all of the beautiful stores that poems and books can provide. I agree that it's so great that we've been given opportunity to read something other than those "old chestnuts".
Katie Gorsky
I was a little hesitant at first to begin reading and attempting to dissect the poems- as is usually the case. I was very relieved upon reading what Tony Hoagland had to say and then "Introduction to Poetry" by Billy Collins. Both of these poets wrote on the topic of what I dislike most about studying poetry. The interpretation of poems always seems to be a difficulty for me. I can never seem to find the "correct" meaning behind the lines. Starting off with these two pieces of writing really helped to give me the extra push to keep reading through the rest of the booklet.
ReplyDeleteThere were a few poems I read that caught my interest. One of them was "Those Winter Sundays". Although the poem wasn't lengthy, I found the meaning behind it very easy to connect with. Sometimes it's difficult to see the emotion behind someone's action, but once you do- you have a deep appreciation for them. I also found "Undertaker" to be slightly intriguing. The topic and the bluntness of the descriptions surprised me. I wasn't expecting it and so it caught my attention. The third poem that I found interesting was "Why We Tell Stories". It reminds me of a lesson from Native Studies class during 10th grade. Mrs Regan was teaching us about storytelling within the Native American culture. Having this personal connection to the poem helped me to understand it better.
Overall I really enjoyed this selection of poetry and I am very pleased it wasn't a booklet of "old chestnuts".
-Kaitlyn Bristol
Who loves poetry? I do!
ReplyDeleteMr. Mac, I want to thank you for giving us some contemporary poems. Tony Hoagland hit it right on the nail in the opening dialogue. For someone who has been an avid poetry his whole life, honestly the poetry we read is school turns my off. I don't know if I could make it through another Emily Watson or Edgar Allen Poe without falling asleep. We can't relate to these people who have seen so much tragedy in their lives. Edgar Allen Poe was an alcoholic and with a very troubled mind, who bleed with ink. He would let go of all of his pain through his sick sadistic characters or demented plots. That's not captivating to me. I am a relatively happy guy whose favorite poet is Shell Silverstein. I like stuff that has a funny rhyme to it or makes me think of my life and smile.For example, the opening poem "Why We Tell Stories" describes my family. I couldn't help, but smile when he(she?) states "Because each of us tells the same story but tells it differently." I thought to myself, wow my family isn't the only one! If you asked about the fishing trip where I caught the big fish we'd all have our own twist to it. I would fib about its size. My mother would over exaggerate how excited I'd be about catching it. My brothers would add that almost fell out of my the boat reeling in the small fish.But my father is the worst. The man is an unbelievable story teller and can own the room, but he always adds 2,3,15,20 extra scenes to the story.
But, this is the poetry I love and actually like reading. Thank you, Mr. Mac!
Tyson Bridge
P.S. I didn't just read one poem and quit, this one happened to relate to my life the most.
I may be the only one, but I really never found interest in poetry. I don't like the odd wordings and stanzas. But I must admit, the first poem made me look at all the others differently. I didn't look for the sappy meanings that I would possibly have to write about once we got back to school. I read them and let my mind go where it wanted. It was a very different experience.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with you. I never really liked poetry myself, but after reading the first poem I realized I didn't have to sit there and analyze the meanings of these poems. For once, I was allowed to just read the poems and allow myself to just enjoy it and react to it.
DeleteAfter reading the packet of poetry we were given, I have to say that my favorite poem was Why We Tell Stories by Lisel Mueller. It got to me at a personal level, mostly because I really want to be a writer one day. I want to be able to share stories with the world and I find the whole act of storytelling to be pretty enchanting. I liked how this poem because it spoke about how stories were passed down through families and how even if they’re not written down, that spoken history is a part of our culture and our own persons. They tell us about ourselves and about the world around us. Stories are emotions and history, and I feel that people should never stop telling stories.
ReplyDeleteVeronica Spadaro
I feel the same way. I like that through spoken stories, you get to add a piece of yourself to it, your own little twist. A line that really stood out to me was, "Because the story of our life becomes our life." I really liked that, and found it to be true. We learn and live through stories, and I totally agree when you say we should never stop telling them!
DeleteKelsey Riesbeck
Although I myself can never make written words express my feeling the way I want it just gives me more respect for those who can. When I read this particular poem it really spoke to me. Especially the part about the verbal stories. I agree with Kelsey, I love how spoken stories are always changing and how you meld a piece of yourself into any story you tell. I myself have always felt more comfortable giving class presentations to writing essays.
DeleteI've never had an instance where i felt any semblance of a real personal connection to a poem. They've always been simply works to admire, something that would lay in my thoughts for awhile, maybe spur an intellectual or emotionally response. Never a lasting effect, I guess, that's not to say I don't enjoy reading it, or hold a high amount of respect for it.
ReplyDeleteReading these, I wasn't looking for anything or trying to over-analyze, just let it happen.
The poem that appealed to me the most is "Famous", because i like the notion that perception is everything in regard to what matters, either individually or on a larger scale.
I completely agree with you Phil, I feel like one's attitudes on something can ultimately determine their conclusions on whether or not something is "famous". An emotion can stimulate a positive or negative response based on the situation, but it's all based upon character and perspective.
DeleteI found the poem to be similar to the hero aspect, where a true hero has a significant connection to you, almost in an earth shattering way, and eventually helps you develop into the person that you become. One defines the other.
Andy Lenoce
I agree with Phil that poems are there to admire and not to over analyze and that no one poem has really stuck with me, although I love poetry. Famous has a lasting effect, but I'm not in that poems audience.
DeleteAfter going through every poem, my favorite is easily "At the Smithsville Methodist Church", because I feel like I had a personal connection to it. I am someone who really lacks faith myself, and, based on the poem, I share this with the author. What was actually interesting, though, was the contemplation of how to deal with a child who wants to believe in this specific religion. As an agnostic, I have always pondered what I would do if certain loved ones in my life ended up having a radically different belief system. In the case of a child, I figured that I would let my child believe whatever they wanted to, as long as I would tell them "my side" of the the situation at one point. I never really considered the period of having a child actively latch on to religion while you just watch, though, and I think there's a very profound dichotomy of wanting your son or daughter to genuinely become their own individual person who thinks for themselves, but also in realizing that their opinions and beliefs might be, for a lack of a better word, childish. I feel like this can apply to every aspect of parenting a child from the cradle to the time when they're going to enter college, and it almost makes me think more about some of the advice my parents have given me and how I might want to really act on it.
ReplyDeleteI had some very similar thoughts on this poem although I found it pretty sad. This parent's internal struggle on how to speak with their child about her beliefs reminds me of the way parents talk to their kids about the nonexistence of Santa. When a child is happy to believe in something is it really harmful to let them believe? Also the parents decision not to bring harsh worldly realities like evolution into their child's life is such a touch thought to grasp especially as someone who's never had a child of my own. Ultimately I think the message digs deep into the constant world dilemma between people of different faiths. It gives a strong lesson on how easy it is to simply allow other people to have different beliefs than yours and accept them anyway.
DeleteJen- I thought the same thing after I read this poem. Our society has always, and likely will always, had trouble accepting others’ beliefs and views on the world; so many deep conflicts have risen just because of this. “At the Smithville Methodist Church” conveys the really important message that it is possible to simply accept someone else’s religious beliefs. Clearly the girl loved learning about Christianity, so her parents let her. I think it would benefit society if more literary works promoting this concept were created.
DeleteI felt that this poem was really relevant to a lot of what has been going on in the world recently. We see a lot of violence in the Middle East based on differing religious views, and like Jen said, this poem highlights how it's easy enough to let somebody be their own person. If this author can allow his child to have such a radically different belief from his own, why can't we all do the same?
DeleteI think my favorite poem has to be 1964, although as a female Wishes For Sons must be a close second. 1964 (For Bert) flows so easily between innocent childhood images and cold truths of the world that I had to reread the poem several times to grasp all it's pieces. It transitions from blissful ignorance to harsh understanding in a very smooth manner except for one line that almost feels out of place in the first stanza. The line "and heard the sweet drowning voice of death" felt out of place the first time I read the poem but then as I considered it's meaning I realized it's more like a preview of the poems meaning. "the world's misery was still covered in iridescence" is like a foreshadow of where the poem is headed.
ReplyDeleteThe message in this poem also hits home with me because of our age and it's connection to our loss of innocence.
Hi Jen!
DeleteAfter reading 1964 I kind of had a hard time understanding the ending and the deeper meaning of it. So I came on here in search of someone else's thoughts and yours really stuck out to me. I completely agree with you! I definitely feel that our age is a really difficult one because we're at the age of understanding that the world isn't as great as we once thought it was. We're realizing that the world isn't always so nice. People are racist, sexist, and homophobic and that it can be cruel. And finding all of this out almost at once is tough. These children have grown up and realized that they were sheltered and they're realizing the world's true colors.
P.S. If anyone took creative writing you should recognize "Those Winter Sundays". We read this poem and wrote our own versions.
ReplyDeleteI just read all of the poems and there were a few that really stood out to me. I really enjoyed the first poem, "Introduction to Poetry". I found it to be extremely true. Whenever we are asked to read poems, all teachers ever want us to do is analyze them and pick them apart to find some deep hidden meaning. This poem is telling us to just read a poem and react to it, enjoy it. I agree with what Melissa said about how it relates to school in general also. We always have to interpret things and are told there's only one right answer, but I think that poems, stories, etc can mean whatever you want them to.
ReplyDeleteAnother poem I liked was "Rain in Childhood". I found myself reminiscing to when I was a child, taking the bus to school on rainy days. I thought the author did a really great job conveyed the pessimistic, almost depressing mood that he felt being trapped on the school bus in the darkness on those days.
I also really enjoyed reading "Famous". The final 3 lines really summed up the whole poem, but I also liked the authors comparisons leading up to this. I got that the overall message was to be yourself and that's all you can be. One is not famous because they do something amazing that has never been done before. One is famous for just doing what they were meant for, and being proud of it! I could definitely relate to the poem.
One last poem that intrigued me was "Undertaker". This poem had a very haunting mood to it. I thought it was interesting how the author successfully conveyed the feelings of the undertaker and the feelings of the mother. At first, the undertaker seemed very morbid, but as the poem continues, you can see that they are really trying to help the mother move on from her loss. Also at the end, you can see that they almost dreads having customers when the phone rings and they wish it was a wrong number or something.
Kristen Machuga
I completely agree with your thoughts about the poem "Famous!" I enjoyed the lines "The bent photograph is famous to the one who caries it and is not at all famous to the one who is pictured." To me this line really stood out-it's because that even the littlest things in life can be "famous" to a person, like a photograph in a wallet. Someone or something may not know they are famous, but to someone, somewhere they are. Additionally, Nye seemed to portray that something that happens everyday is recognized-"The cat sleeping on the fence is famous to the birds watching him from the birdhouse."
DeleteI also agree that the last three lines summed the entire poem-people want to be famous so they could never be forgotten.
Kirsten Shea
Kristen (and everyone else who mentioned it), "Famous" is definitely one of my favorites from the compilation as well. I agree with Andy that it really changed my personal definition of fame and gave a completely new, hopeful perspective on the word. Being famous often seems unattainable and far removed, particularly in a small town like Tolland, but this poem made the unique point that fame is not necessarily widespread recognition. Having a sole purpose or importance to individuals can make you famous to that person, a concept that makes me think a lot harder about even small interactions. In my opinion, that is what makes the piece so effective: the conveyed hope that anyone could be as important as a household name, just on different terms.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Fame is in the eye of the beholder, to (almost) quote a phrase. Fame is almost completely unattainable, but in this poem you notice that everyone and everything has an audience, no matter how big or small.
DeleteFirst off, I'd like to say that after reading the Introduction of Poetry, it made me realize how probably most everyone, including myself, try to understand the pure reason why the author had written the poem. I totally agree with Kelsey above when she stated that the only time most of us actually read poetry is when we are forced to and have to overanalyze every single part of the poem. "They begin beating it with a hose to find out what it really means." However, I believe the point to poetry is to not only express the author's ideas and thoughts on a subject, but to provoke the reader's thoughts and opinions about the same subject; and whether or not there could be only one or multiple meanings to writing a poem.
ReplyDeleteOne of my favorite poems is "Why We Tell Stories" by Lisel Mueller. This poem was very appealing to me because it goes to show that no matter how rich a person may be, or whether you may have absolutely nothing at all, a person is able to tell a story in order to entertain themselves or others, or even to give information about their life.
"We sat by the fire in our caves,
and because we were poor, we made up a tale
about a treasure mountain
that would open only for us
and because we were always defeated,
we invented impossible riddles"
Another poem that I enjoyed was "Anyways" by Suzanne Cleary. Cleary states that "anyways" is plural because it is the only way "to hold all of our reasons." I think Cleary is trying to convey that we use the plural version of "anyway" to show that there are multiple reasons why a person does something. I also agree with Katie when she states that we cannot be stopped from doing something, even if it may be a mistake-because this is how we learn, from our mistakes and wrong-doings. No matter the decision we choose in the end, we may always learn from that decision and think of how it could be improved.
All in all, I really did enjoy reading these poems because it proved that one poem could be viewed differently by many people and how multiple perspectives were able to be seen. Each of these poems were well thought out and portrayed different messages to every reader.
Kirsten Shea
Hi Everyone!
ReplyDeleteI had to reread some of these over and over again at times. These were probably my favorites.
Mrs. Krikorian - As much as there was a juvenile aspect to the story because of the perspective I believe this is what teachers are supposed to do. She didn't give him an easy way out and she didn't punish him severely. Instead she created an environment where he earned to grow by himself and was able to thrive and learn because of how she had presented it to him.
Rain In Childhood - I personally was able to relate to this one a lot. When your young you remember these intense storms scaring you and making you want to hide behind your parents. Now I love these storms they seem to be so rejuvenating to the earth and just make me thankful for what I have. These storms are a beautiful part of nature and I delight in watching them.
Wishes for Sons - I didn't like this. Yes I understand Clifton wants men to understand how we women feel sometimes but I feel as if this were pushing it a bit.
Famous - I enjoyed this one. It was uplifting and interesting to be reminded that fame isn't always what we think it is.
Anyways - Wow. This one was more powerful then I expected. She is proud of where she comes from and the possibilities eft open. I am fond of that idea. The way she ends with regardless is powerful and leaves you kind of speechless I believe.
Photograph from September 11 - This one hit home. We’ve all seen those pictures but I’ve never though about it like that. A less solemn way to look at it I suppose. Freeze them in time and not think about the rest.
I'd have to agree with you about Wishes for Sons. I found it to be very comical, and couldn't take it seriously. Lucille Clifton wrote it with short sentences and lowercase letters possibly so it wouldn't be taken too seriously, but would get her message across.
DeleteKelsey Riesbeck
I agree with you both that the imagery and description in this poem was outstanding, and drew me gently in many different directions as far as my feelings on the message goes. The first stanza concentrated specifically on those physical scenes and feelings straight from childhood memories, and I found it to be the most comforting. In the next stanza, when the concept on nostalgia is mentioned even at the children's young age, I thought the poem really started to hit close to home with seniors in high school, about to leave many things behind. I slightly disagree about the last stanza. Instead of feeling put off by the road map mention, I found it made me end the poem on the hopeful idea of expansion and new adventures to be had in the future, even though nostalgia seems prevalent in the moment.
ReplyDeleteI am just going to start this off by saying that this packet of poems was my favorite out of all the summer reading I had to do.
ReplyDeleteone of the poems that really resonated with me was "Those Winter Sundays". How this father would do something so simple yet so necessary like heat up the house and he was never appreciated. This really hit home with me. This summer has probably been the hardest time of my life thusfar. My parents have both needed our family to come together and help them both go onto new career paths. My mom just got a new job as a teacher and her classroom was a disaster. My sister and I were there most of the summer helping her get organized for the start of the knew year. This was just one of the many things that really put a damper on my summer. But even though both my sister and I were helping our parents this time around it really made me appreciate all the things they have done for me. My mom just becoming a teacher now means that she devoted herself to raising my sister and I and being a full time mom. I am glad that she now got the chance to do something for herself. Also similar to the father in this poem my father works alot to be able to provide for our family. People need to be more appreciated for all the little things they do to make others lives easier.
No doubt, all these poems were a pleasure to read. A poem that really hit the spot for me was Phillip Levine's, "The Mercy." The poem is great as it talks about a journey to America for a foreign (Russian in her case) women. This so relevant to all Americans as most of our ancestors arrived form other countries to live the "American Dream." It was a pleasure reading about the poet's mother and her experience to America. The poem was also great in explaining how a word, item or idea can have such an impact on someone's life. The way how the ship was named, "The Mercy" and how it connected with a single action of eating a orange for the poet's mother was very interesting. Overall all these poems were rich in technique and really made it hard to not think over what I just read! - Shayan Hassan
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this collection of poems, the one that left a lasting impression on me was "Famous". "Famous" describes the often unnoticed actions that leave marks on the world and continue to effect and change it whether it's just a footprint left behind at the beach to something you personally hold dear, such as a certain idea, hope, or dream. The last stanza particularly strikes a chord with me, especially "not because it did anything spectacular, but because it never forgot what it could do." I feel as though this phrase perfectly describes how I strive to think of myself and my achievements. I don't need the pomp and circumstance surrounding success, but instead I need the lasting faith in my abilities.
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DeleteAfter seeing how many people enjoyed "Famous", I went back and reread it. I have to say that the quote you commented made the most impact on me as well. I like how it seems to apply to everyone in a small way. Ordinary people live ordinary lives everyday. This line also reminded me of something Ghandi said, and it's a quote that for some reason has always stuck with me.
"Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it."
It just makes me feel that although most people won't do something spectacular or memorable, as long as they believe in themselves and do what they are capable of, they have still succeeded.
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Without reading anyone's comments about Main Street: titlon, New Hampshire, I just wanted to say I loved it. Everyone has those moments where they are just sitting in the car observing others while waiting for someone to run into the store really quick, and this poem captured it perfectly. My favorite line was, "...and then that moment passed, displaced by others equally equivocal." It just shows that there are so many moments in our lives that seem unimportant, but strung together, they make up our life and who we are. Hope that this makes sense!
ReplyDeleteHi guys, I definitely agree with Megan and Nicole about the first poem. I think the reason I generally don't care for poetry is because I'm always asked to analyze it and analyze it again and I feel as if I'm not getting anything out of it. I love reading something that doesn't need to be ripped apart. I also love that everyone can have their own interpretation of a work and that is what sparks such great discussions and conversations and makes literature so amazing.
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As a lot of you have already said, that first poem was really interesting. It was definitely not what I was expecting as the first poem. I could really relate to what the narrator was saying and to me it represented something more. Of course the poem is talking about how these days we seem to just overanalyze poems and not truly take them for what they are. I feel like this is relatable to because we do this with almost everything nowadays. We seem to lose sight of what is really important because we look to deeply into things. "Introduction to Poetry" really was a great way to start the packet if you weren't particularly excited to go through the packet like I originally was.
ReplyDeleteI also took a liking to "Those Winter Sundays". It was a brief and nostalgic look back at what the narrator's father used to do for him but it also carried a strong message. It just reminded me of how we often never take appreciation to the smallest of gestures until they're no longer done for us.
My favorite poem of all though would have to be "Famous". I love when any type of literature looks at ideas in different perspectives. "Famous" does this by placing everyday things into a different light bringing everything back down to earth.
I really enjoyed "Why We Tell Stories", it might've even been my favorite. I really like how it talks about how everyone we talk to and learn from helps to shape our life. I really believe that certain events in our life completely change us as people and make us into who we are today and I think this poem really describes it perfectly. But that's just my interpretation of it. I really love this poem.
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Hey guys, I can honestly say I enjoyed reading all the poems, though some took some rereading for me to fully get the purpose and the message the poem was trying to convey. The poem Why We Tell Stories (for Linda Foster)was one of the more difficult ones in my opinion, but after I got the message it actually became one of my favorites. It is something everyone can relate to when they read it, for it shows how everyone's lives are similar and at the same time different. We all love, we all lose, we all grieve, we all laugh, we all live, but we don't necessarily do all those same things in the same circumstance and in the same fashion. It's main message is to remember that we are not alone, and that we all as a race have something in common, and it also serves as a reminder to never forget that you are unique, and are still different and your own person. Another favorite of mine was a Hymn to a Broken Marriage, mainly because it surprised me. With a title like that, I immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was either going to be extremely bitter and angry, or elated, the writer glad to be rid of the significant other./ But instead it surprised me by being polite, respectful, and loving. He did not show any regrets with their marriage, and even said "I would wed you again and, if that marriage also broke, I would wed you yet again and, if it a third time broke, wed you again, and again, and again, and again". He clearly still loves her and cares for her, and even though he is sad that he lost her, he is very much a believer in the "It is better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all" policy. And also, like a lot of people, I was a fan of "Famous". It was also another poem that everyone could relate to, for every person has a natural desire to make an impact, be known, and not just fade in and fade out of the world without someone noticing that you've gone. Everyone wants to know they have potential to do something in this world, everyone wants to know they have significance and talent and something they can excel at, and that is shown especially in the last line "I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous, or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular, but because it never forgot what it could do."
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed this selection of poems. I think they definitely show a more contemporary side to poetry than what we normally read in English. That being said, my favorite poem in this collection was definitely Kafka:Lilacs. It was a very emotional read, but also kind of inspiring to see this man take so much pleasure in things that other living things do, even while he cannot do them himself. The poem shows a great deal of optimism. For example, the man can't eat strawberries, but he still smells them, truly making the best of a terrible situation. I think this poem was very reminiscent to "A Fly Buzzed as I Died" by Emily Dickinson because in both poems the author is describing death in a somewhat unconventional way. They both paint a picture of death as rather peaceful, and both seem to have come to peace with the fact that life will go on without them once they are gone. Another of my favorites from this collection (although these make me seem a little morbid) was Atlantis. This poem almost made me cry, it was a little difficult to read because it was so sad. You could really feel the anger and frustration of the author and how hard this one incident with the dog powerfully affected him and his emotions about what was happening.
ReplyDeleteI also really enjoyed the poem 1964, mostly because it seems like such an ironic pick for a summer reading assignment. The line "we learned that school was meant to keep us from seeing the sunlight....so that everything we saw we would see through pigments and shadows and the memory of light would be lost from our eyes" was a very astute observation about how knowledge can take away our innocence. As they say, ignorance is bliss and I think that was really the message behind this poem. I feel like a lot of people our age can relate to the feeling of losing our childlike wonder once we realize the world isn't such a magical place, as it used to seem. I definitely felt a strong personal connection to this poem.
Mrs. Krikorian is a poem that is really important to me because I think that it's important for everyone to have some adult they connect with, who they know will be there for them. Someone who they know will help them. I feel that this poem definitely shows that. It's about a teacher giving a student the gift of learning and discovering something that he loves. I think that's a really important thing for a student to have in their life. I also really enjoyed Rain In Childhood. Mostly because I really love the rain, I find it relaxing and I loved the way it was described in this poem. But I also love how it describes the way children see rain when they are young. How they can draw on windows in the car and jump around in puddles. It's very similar to 1964 though because it marks "the end of childhood", but in a different way I think. It kind of just shows how as children grow up they don't find the same things fun, such as jumping in puddles and running around in the rain. They'd rather stay out of the rain.
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I found The Mercy a very sad poem. It makes me so sad thinking of the people who came to America thinking they had a great chance and they're life was going to be amazing. When in reality they got here and they weren't treated equally. They had awful jobs, if any, and life was rotten. The same rings true today for the most part for other immigrants and it's a very sad situation because we are supposed to be the land of opportunity. But really we just bring more hopelessness to the already hopeless.
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I was able to connect with At the Smithville Methodist Church incredibly well. Recently I've had a hard time believing in any kind of faith, so this poem really stood out to me. I really connected with the line "I can't remember ever feeling so uncertain about what's comic, what's serious."
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed wishes for sons. This poem definitely gave me a good laugh. I completely and 100% agree with what it's saying. Boys would not last a day in a girls shoes and I really wish they had to go through what we have to endure at least once every month. It's complete misery and I think that guys take for granted that they aren't subjected to it.
-Kayla Singleton
I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of Main Street: Tilton, New Hampshire, but it reminds me a lot of people watching. Which I love to do. I love sitting and just watching different people walk by, observing their different mannerisms and imagining what their life is like or what their off to do on this day. I was able to visualize just what this would look like if I sitting and watching these people on a bench on the sidewalk on Main Street in Tilton, New Hampshire.
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Hymn to a Broken Marriage is tied with Why We Tell Our Stories for my favorite poem in this packet. Although I know obviously something has gone wrong in this relationship I find it really quite sweet. I love how he cares about her so much, even in the end of their marriage. It made me smile and I love that he would marry her again.
ReplyDeleteI also really loved Famous. I totally agree with Aili and what she said about the poem. I love how the poem shows the small things that happen that aren't always noticed. I think those small things are the most special even though they're often the least important to people.
-Kayla Singleton
This collection of poems was a good set. My favorites were actually the intro, hymn to a broken marriage, and photograph from September 11th. I thought these were very good, but the rest lacked something; detail, perhaps even the language of it. I wish that there was some Walt Whitman in here. He is worth the time for sure. But I commend Mr. MacArthur for picking pretty much unknown poets. I would have picked some different ones if it were me, but I enjoyed it overall.
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